During the two-week surveillance every addict who called at Burnside's flat for drugs was then arrested by the team and questioned. In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britains most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley of Govan in Glasgow. Next thing, I found myself lying on the ground. I used to go to the Harhill Baths every Friday night.Saturday mornings, afternoons were at the Lyceum or The Plaza Picture Houses. I don't like to think what might have happened if they had been discovered.''. Scots: Gouan; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland. USA. Providing a family base with a family room in Govan, with weekly meetings in Govan and Easterhouse Providing consistent, non-judgmental support to families and individuals, and home visits to families in crisis I remember one time, my big brother hiding in the midden under all the ashes, when I went down three stories to empty the fire ashes. The Old Govan Fair. Good memories. Does anybody recognise the name? Many of the people who buy these flats do not intend to stay in them rather; they hope either to rent them out at exorbitant prices or to sell them quickly at a greater price than they bought them for. The origins of the Doomster Hill are a mystery. I had never seen one before. The idea behind the hotel was to employ local people and to draw in money to the area. [29], Kvrner of Norway, as part of a planned development of a large international shipbuilding group, took over Govan. Just answering Margaret Fletcher's post below. Any way they started to ask us our schools and of course my mates answered Broomloan Rd, Bellahouston and Lorne St, but when it came my turn my truthful answer was Our Lady and St Margaret's Primary just up the road from here. He wanted to discover how and why such places came into being and to see if remedies could be found. Wine Alley Govan Kids Southern General Hospital On the Clyde Govan Kvaerner/Fairfield Shipyards Govan Shipyards ( Front gate pics ) The Plaza/Vogue Govan Dry Docks Trams in Govan/ Goods Carriers Inside the Lyceum Bingo/Picture Hall Lyceum Projection Room Lyceum Foyer & Balcony Foyer Lyceum Cinema Balcony Inside The Lyceum Govan Baths Harhill . Will they be full participants at setting the agenda for their locals or are these just pie crust promises?11 Will the same old story of the past three decades resurface where members of local communities are merely informed or consulted about changes in which they have no say?12 Perhaps one of the worst errors that the new regeneration policy is now making is that of ignoring the potential of local housing organisations as important instruments for inclusion and social capital, and their spill over effects of wider social and economic developments and issues. They also told police that the same man would rent out a larger car about once a month. Hi there, just wondering if anyone has any info or stories on the Slaters, Mckechnies or Hutchisons, hope to hear back. He was able to give police precise details of the drug operation Burnside was running and the names of his associates. No1seems2care. We may then apply our discretion under the user terms to amend or delete comments. Forgotten account? Once the area had gained a bad reputation (through no fault of its own), this was picked up by Govans local newspaper, The Govan Press, who furthered the image in a relentlessly aggressive campaign against the inhabitants until even the authorities began to believe it too. It was massive and as a wee girl it was magical, as well as Dands I also remember Bobbys on Langlands Rd, I got my Bay City Rollers trousers there, lol, there was loads of shoe shops in Govan, one was called Cherries I'm sure, also a massive one can't remember name, just round from Burleigh St, a few years back it was Bradley's chemist. The yard eventually closed in the wake of the collapse of the Upper Clyde Shipbuilders consortium in 1971.[35]. Govan was the site of a ford and later a ferry which linked the area with Partick for seasonal cattle drovers. Posted on Behalf of Mags Monaghan The "Wine Alley" housing scheme, just off the Broomloan Road, was notorious in Govan and elsewhere in Glasgow as a den of thieves, drunks and drug addicts. Therefore, the purpose of this Reflection is to make a contribution to the discussions on community planning and have the thoughts of people who have lived through other Datum OSGB36 - NGR. Unresolved: Release in which this issue/RFE will be addressed. Former. Been looking at the old pictures of Govan and wondered if anyone remembers my father's Chemist/Optician shop at Govan Cross near Helen St, 830 Govan Road. Houses are places to live in, either for one person or several. We lived in Linthouse at that time, and then we moved to Shaw Street in Govan. They were both always on a mission to land a. MATT McGINN (1928-1977) A for a Pub Hoose Licence. Galbraith shop opposite Elderpark, they sold us kids a bag of broken biscuits. I was born in 1952 and lived in Golspie St until I was 10 when we moved to Garthamlock. Their children's names were John, Michael, Christopher, Bridget and Edward. Community organisation. "And so for the time being I have finished this series (4th book comming this year) what an amazing book I especially loved the mention of the wine alley in govan as that's where my mama is from! Email: enquiries@gblink.org.uk , www.gblink.org.uk I was born 1951 in 57 Nethan St. Gallery. Even having a "piece" thrown from the window was an adventure would it be "butter"and sugar or Jam what a treat! Pagini similare. Don't think I enjoyed my time at Govan High, who did but I remember the english teacher Johnny Duncan, Jock Reiburn (maths), who was strict but gave me a good basic knowledge of algebra which stood me in good stead for my future in engineering. My mam would love to know. These incomers earned the contempt and resentment of some disgruntled local inhabitants, who focused on problems of anti-social behaviour in the estate, which acquired the nickname "Wine Alley". Glasgow Braendam Link, aims to support, empower and enable all those involved in the partnership to gain more control of their lives by encouraging self-belief, growth and development. Lots of other good memories but also remember the terrible fires which took place. We had and still have such a loving family even although our parents and grandparents have passed, but Govan made us that way because it was a great community and you knew who your neighbours were. alebo. I agreed and the result is the Report, which you now have today which is meant for the October 17th World Poverty Day. I always thought it was a listed building. Seven generations of our family have been born in Govan. Everyone used our street for roller skating, we called it thd smoothie! The locals in Govan fear that gentrification is making its way in, in the face of community objections.15 I was born in 1946 at 16 Elderpark Street, I had 3 brothers; Harry, Robert and Ronnie, we all went to Greenfield Primary school, Harry and Robert also went to Govan High School and we also went to 168th Boys Brigade and lifeboys. I stayed all over Govan, I was born in the Southern General in 1961 and was brought home to Neptune St then I stayed in Govan Rd, Broomloan Rd and Carmichael St. Mum married and moved to Whiteinch as a child and I remember going across on the ferry to Govan, Anyone recall my mum? Our first daughter was born in 1962, and then when she was six months old, we went to Toronto, Canada. My gran lived upstairs at 12 Water row. I've looked at several sites like this, in search of a memory or a photo and never found a thing - yet it was a Govan institution. We used to listen to all the records being played from Munleys on a Saturday morning. Police Scotland. Contact Us. Several hotel chains have moved in while both BBC Scotland and STV have their studio complexes there. Pieces 'n Jam and a Bottle of Water climb on top of a Air Raid Shelter and have a picnic, Aye happy days and not a Tablet or Mobile phone in site. I went to St.Constantines Primary School. who until March 2014 played at Tinto Park (Drumoyne) then moved to the adjacent New Tinto Park. During fortnight surveillance in February 1989, they discovered that the same gang member had hired his biggest car yet. 2 Elder park is a mess and all the railings have been taken out. On the 21/6/2005 the plans for the future of Govans Central area were publicly revealed showing that housing and concern for unemployment was high on its agenda. Click on the Bus route to see step by step directions with maps, line arrival times and updated time schedules. Members of our family have now moved away to other locations in Glasgow and Paisley, but we still remember our childhoods growing up in Govan. However, in 1989 the same area was one of the most crime-ridden and deprived in Scotland. Used to spend all summer there paying in twice, having to queue up for second swim with towel around yourself sometimes freezing and having to wait in line. I went to Greenfield then Govan High left school in 1975 and worked in Govan shipyard canteen my mates wee Calum McLean, Brian Lavoury, Billy Cameron, Tam Reid, Jim Reynolds and Stephen Gourley now living in England. In sum, effective participatory urban management calls for a fundamental rethink from all the players involved, from the local authorities and development agencies, through local (and sometimes international) non-governmental organisations, to the community-based organisations themselve; in redefining their roles and relationships, if something is to be done for the benefit of all. [15], With Morris Pollok as its first Provost, the Burgh and its Commissioners ensured that during the next 48 years Govan became a well-equipped, modern town. Before leaving the area in 1975, Damer sent in his report on Moorepark to the Housing Manager of the Corporation of Glasgow where he attacked the Corporation for failing to do its job in managing and maintaining both the houses and the environment in Moorepark. I screamed blue murder, he wanted to pull my pants down, but no way I letting him do that to me. My maternal grandfather was a master brass moulder in the shipyards. While debating the (Greenwood) Housing Bill of 1930, the MP John Wheatley insisted that Britain would never get rid of its slum problem as long as it continued to set aside for a particular section of the community an inferior quality of housing The above extract comes from the enquiry that the sociologist Sean Damer wrote on the history of what was regarded as the most notorious slum-housing scheme in the Glasgow of the 1970s, Moorepark, or as it came to be known by Govanites and Glaswegians the Wine Alley of Govan. Two associated Christian burials are radiocarbon dated to the 5th or 6th centuries, making Govan the earliest known Christian site in the region. who originated from the Helen Street area of Govan, but are now based further west at Shieldhall. See more of Sunny Govan Memories on Facebook. 1 Damer, 1989, (passim), Life in theWine Alley In the Wine Alley, I loved the people more than anything. When I was a wee lassie of four living on Neptune Street in the early 50's I walked away down the street from our close and got lost. I remember the baths and went there every Friday, I also remember playing in the street and when the coalman came my mum and I would follow him with a pram and pick up any coal that fell of the lorry. Finalists in the Intermediate Cup 1929-30, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moorepark,_Glasgow&oldid=1142353497, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 1 March 2023, at 23:16. Rather than go on strike, which was the traditional form of industrial action, the union leadership of the yards decided to have a work-in and complete the orders that the shipyards had in place. It never surfaced again until Lil Feeney came looking for me (who I had known from Govan Initiative) and asked me if I would be interested in helping to write a Report on poverty and deprivation (along with herself and Brian) inspired by Darners book on the same theme. The main point of the Presentation was that, in an area which had lost 80% of its population (between 1951 and 2001), the re-zoning of demolished housing areas for warehousing and offices meant that there was less chance of people coming back into the area to live, as houses were needed in these areas and not anonymous commercial barns and offices. Komunitn organizcia. Wine Alley, the newest wine tasting experience to open at Woodin Creek Village in Woodinville, WA, debuted with a ribbon cutting ceremony and grand opening event on February 18, 2022. [32][33] The shipbuilding operations became BAE Systems Marine, which subsequently became part of BVT Surface Fleet, a naval shipbuilding joint venture between BAE Systems and VT Group, which became BAE Systems Surface Ships in 2009. Conecteaz-te. It was regarded at the time as perhaps the worst slum in Britain, and the people who lived there were treated like vermin by the authorities whom we treated likewise. At the time, it was the fifth largest burgh in Scotland and contained within its boundaries, the areas of Plantation, Cessnock, Ibrox, Craigton and Drumoyne. We love it here, but still go back to Scotland every other year. Clyde News. Mind you, the mice we lifted them out of a glass tank by the tail then put them in thick brown bags of thinnish white boxes for their journey home and I'm convinced most would have chewed through and escaped within minutes of leaving the shop. I am researching my family tree and as both my grandparents died in 1990 and 1993 respectively I can't ask them. I liked Daddy Boyd although I never had him as a teacher, he was in charge of the rowing club of which I enjoyed many an hour on the Clyde. Socialites Karrueche Tran, left, and Christina Milian attend the Los Angeles premiere of Fox's 'Empire' at ArcLight Cinemas Cinerama Dome on January 6, 2015 in Hollywood, California. Run by a tall slim guy whose son was a racing cyclist ? 5 11 Barr, 1997, p. 47-58 12Dailly, 2005, p. 8 13 Bailey and Hastings, 2004, p. 92 Not a penny in our pockets other than the price of admission to the pictures on a Saturday afternoon and some extra for some sweeties, I remember my grandmother used to give Helen my sweetie coupons from the back of the Ration Book, as she had such a sweet tooth that she would have ate her way through February and March coupons even though it was only January and stores knew we were still going to be rationed for some time to come (I didn't have a sweet tooth so always had coupons to spare). 2 Markus, 1993, p. 148 Moore Park (Glasgow University Library, Special Collections, Dougan Collection, 1870), OS 25 inch Scotland, 1892-1905 (Moore Park), "Glasgow, Govan, Moorepark Housing Estate", Gender and Political Identities in Scotland, 1919-1939, Ian Jack: Problem Families (review of 'From Moorepark to Wine Alley: The Rise and Fall of a Glasgow Housing Scheme' by Sean Damer), Debate: Housing and Local Government (Scotland), Poverty, deprivation and development in working class communities, Photo of Benburb F.C. Also, among the plans for Govans hub was a programme to make Govans main shopping area more attractive such as joining Govans Market, Shopping Centre, Underground and bus depot together under the one roof. JEFF TORRINGTON Singing: No, No, Yuppie, Yuppie NO! Canmore ID 315779. With its bad name, many people from Moorepark could not get jobs while those that could often disguised their addresses and, if they a they moved away because of its bad reputation Gradually, the decrease in services, coupled with, a by now high turnover of tenancie let house, led to the accretion of demoralised families coming into the scheme and all the stories about Moorparks good-for-nothing population seemed to be justified. We went back to Govan until we could get passage, and I attended Bellahouston Academy. When the sirens went for everyone to go to their shelters, our grandfather had to come and help her take us to St. Anthony's school (our shelter). When I got married I moved to Arden, I now live in Clarkston in the South of Glasgow. Bishop King. Would love to get in touch with any old pals for the era 1965-1976. They were, however, very much a part of the physical landscape that became Renfrewshire. Brian McQuade, Reflection on Housing Jimmy's was our local shop and Ruby's was out local bakery which fed the Fairfield's workers. We loved it there and had best times growing up in Govan, a great wee community and a great bunch of people, neighbours were great and we had lots of great friends to play with. From terrace proud to alley base I know thee as my mother's face. Site Number NS56NE 4994. Then the area - close to Rangers home at Ibrox - had a reputation for deprivation and poverty having been built in the 1930s to relieve overcrowding in the Gorbals. Every Christmas I was given a big pile of unsold comics and one day the woman gave me a bob - 12 big penny coins that filled my hand. Her name was Mary Murray. Below are memories and stories about Govan posted by visitors to the site. Jackson retired in 1992 after a distinguished 32-year career with Burnside and his cohorts still behind bars. Govan is served by community radio station Sunny Govan, broadcasting on 103.5FM to the city of Glasgow and surrounding districts, discussing local issues and providing advice, and with diverse musical output covering soul, hip-hop and reggae. We had 4 Cinemas that we could go to and the swimming baths and all the dykes round the back to jump and all the different games we played outdoors until the street lights went on and Dad shouted out the window it was time to come up the stairs. I asked him if I was going to jail, he said not at all and he gave me a sweetie. I went undercover on the 'Wine Alley' to tackle drug problem Ex-undercover police officer Simon McLean has written about his experience tackling Glasgow's drug problem during the 80s. In fact, within only two years of the first tenants moving into their 7-storey deck-access blocks (in 1972); they had begun to complain about severe dampness, condensation, and water penetration. I was attending what was then known as Duns Academy when my father decided to emigrate to Canada. I too, have fond memories of playing and performing small shows, and we all thought we could act. Egg And Chip' 11/2. I remember Betty McPhee, Margaret Liversidge, the Gourlay brothers and Brian Wilson.We lived in the top floor for a few years and the moved to bigger flat on first floor with a bathroom. I used to go to Jack's Bakers on a Saturday morning for a dozen rolls and half a dozen teabread and I still got change from a half a crown (12.5 pence), happy days! He said be a good girl, I don't want to see you when you're 17 causing problems. Did the papers for Maggie Slimmins and the milk for the coop this paid for my first real bike from Andy McNeil's, before that I had a clenny model. It was a two bedroom, living room with a kitchenette and full bathroom. Portrait of a Lady by Esme Clark. Does anyone remember; Sophie, Robert; and Mary,who lived in Carmichael Street, Govan 1936? I look forward to reading further. Govan's earliest recorded name may be found in the Historia regum Anglorum attributed to Symeon of Durham. I considered that I did a real job and that what he did for a living was nonsense. Alley & Vine. We stayed in Elphinstone Street but after a fire we had to move to my grans house at 62 Golspie Street at the corner of Langlands Road, it was known as McCormick's close he being the owner of a hardware store. For instance; my mother was standing on the banks of the Clyde in 1938, when the Queen Mary was launched. If there is anyone out there that remembers me please contact me :). 'Wine Alley', Govan Pop: 10,875 (whole ward) Problems: Mainly drug-related crime. My cousin disappeared, the policeman went into the steamie and came out with a bucket of soapy water and a cloth to wipe it off. One of his best customers was a former police officer who had been thrown out the force due to his heroin addiction. If either cop was caught then they were on a hiding to nothing. Komunitn organizcia. Editors' Code of Practice. But then officers were based in a more forbidding Victorian building about a mile away in Orkney Street. [34], Alexander Stephen and Sons also established a shipyard in nearby Linthouse in 1870. Went back recently, but things are not the same. or. Mother has an excellent memory and I am attempting to write down stories about; the old shops; events streets and everything. I was born in the Southern General Hospital in 1958 and lived at 23 McGregor Street, Chookiehill [Teucharhill] as it was fondly called then. I was searching for Harry Lauder pictures and came across this interesting site. 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