Early Years of Spencer Strider They still unquestionably saved on Striders first two free-agent years, provided he remains healthy. But since they extended him this is obviously all moot. Reward thing. And because they extended him it wont matter even if they DO send him down. Besides, adding a couple extra free agent years at close to market value on a later extension is absolutely worth it if he is indeed for real. He could easily see $17m, 2om after this down year, then 28m. Even if you assume he will make 15% less than Soto and other top players that were Super Two, that means he will make $75-78 million for the one remaining pre-arb season and 4 arbitration seasons. The Atlanta Braves have placed right-hander Spencer Strider on the 15-day injured list with a strained left oblique muscle. Great point about Matt Harvey and didnt he have an arm injury? Its also worth noting that Fried might take the offer Strider just got as a giant slap in the face since hes been leading the rotation for years and won a WS for Atlanta, while Strider hasnt even pitched enough innings to qualify for the ERA title. (Age 22-338d, We present them here for purely educational purposes. Strider is now expected to join the Braves Opening Day roster in 2022. But Swanson is not nearly as good as those guys. Cant see AA letting him leave and downgrading the roster when theyre so competitive at every other lineup spot except left field. If he is 2nd in ROY he is credited with a full year of service so he definitely would NOT be a Super Two. Yum, yum, peach juice flowing, baby. The way they draft and are able to get their players so sign long term for under market value is second to none. Youll find that its a similar sounding word to allude. Injuries are 75% covered by insurance Thats the salary of players in year 2 and 3. Albies was cheap and smart. Maybe MLB realizes that they werent actually racist. Talent evaluation, competent analysis, and a decent memory arent your strong suits. The Braves got a significant discount on the 2 FA years. 2w Edited 2023 Payroll Totals 2023 Active Competitive Balance Tax Totals Note: Tax figures based on payroll data only. $22M (2027) I disagree. (Machado can opt out of his deal with the Friars after next year, so the Padres 2028 commitments may not end up being quite so large.) Braves put RHP Strider on IL with oblique strain, Scherzer tries to test pitch clock limits, gets balk, Jays' Guerrero to miss WBC with inflamed knee, Rangers, LHP Smith agree to 1-year, $1.5M deal, 7 Cubs combine for 1st spring no-no since 2017, Jays 'playing it safe' after Guerrero tweaks knee, PitchCom-tipping: Loud device leaks Twins calls, Eflin's first start after $40M deal impresses Rays. They will have their hands full if they get past the Phillies in the NLDS. ". Pads Fans spends 5 hours a day commenting from multiple accounts and STILL doesnt know how Super Two works. Extra year for winning division. Apple TV games are free this year. He wasnt going any where for at least five years. Not the other way around. Corbin Burnes is entering his 5th full season and 2nd pass through arbitration, which is only projected to pay him $11.3M. If he continues to dominate, his arm years wouldve skyrocketed. Adding that extra year of service time will make him eligible. Love to see this for a team and their fan base, Win win for both sides. The Marlins are one new owner away from being elite. If his option is exercised, the deal will be worth $92 million over seven years. I have even heard that the team holds onto properties in the New York area to rent to players to keep it affordable for them to live near the park. Not a guy making upwards of 20MM a year. Again, perhaps Im wrong, its my outsiders perspective. Strider has been significantly better than Harvey so far. SARASOTAWhat's happening? If youre going to belittle someone while claiming to have knowledge of their inferior educational level, you should probably try spelling your insults correctly. Spencer Strider and the Plant-Based Diet When Strider was 19, he was diagnosed with high blood pressure something rather uncommon for a young athlete. Good deal for both sides. You are making a lot of wild assumptions. older demographic) are even able to do that? Strider has two pitches and has started for 2/3 of a season. Still waiting to see the projection where two arb years are the same, factoring in the obligatory TJ surgery. There are way too many moving pieces to just guarantee blowing past the luxury tax. Spencer Strider was born in Columbus, Ohio on October 28, 1998. Betting Picks; . These deals also help lower the luxury tax hit down the road. I also think thats one reason Freeman was so guilt-ridden, or whatever, about not returning when he had the chance. Even then, Strider still has to match two of the best young pitchers in the game over the next 5 years to even have that conversation, which is not likely. Had the Yankees given Judge the same treatment after the 2017 season, we wouldnt be having Judge FA discussions. CBA has no affect on arb money because the union wouldnt let a segment of their members benefit in terms of general contract negotiations. This is their first long-term contract extension with a young pitcher. I dont mute your kind, but I wont bother reading your insult laden rants in the future. This is how a Mets fan copes with his team getting bounced lmao. Look on baseballtradevalues.com, read their article on justifying Sotos value and how I criticized it before he was traded to the Padres and my calculations were almost dead on value. But if we are anywhere near the same cutoff after next season that we were after 2021, Strider will miss Super 2 status by 110 days roughly or almost 4 months of being on the roster. Born: This is smart timing, no surprise from AA. I think its going to bite them in a few years, when they realize the quality of the product is declining. Players come and go and rosters turn over constantly. Id hate to be him if he becomes human in Atlanta over the next 6 years. You sound like you have a community college education in accounting. Seems like a good deal for both sides. I am a Yankees fan and they could learn a thing or two from Just cause they run this site doesnt mean they have some secret gift to know where players will sign and I never had a doubt he was headed there, since he was a Pirate. 7 Cubs pitchers combine for no-hitter vs Machado, Padres, Top moments from Brady, Manning, Jordan and other athletes hosting 'Saturday Night Live', Fantasy baseball rankings, projections, strategy and cheat sheets, Rangers' Leclerc to miss WBC with neck injury, Rockies' Rodgers may need surgery, '23 at risk, Rojas to withdraw from WBC, stay with Dodgers, Braves' Strider (oblique) to have start skipped. Do you have a sports website? I expect to see him elsewhere next year. They were 6.5 games ahead of the Braves on August 7. You are also assuming he doesnt fall off a cliff statistically like Trevor Rogers this year where he went from a 2.64 ERA to 5.47 ERA or for the analytical types he went from a 2.55 FIP (2021) to 4.36 FIP (2022). When you visit any web site, it may store or retrieve information on your browser, mostly in the form of cookies. Hes allergic to walks. Hard to see that from a FO willing to let Freddie walk and who have Vaughn Grissom, a natural SS, ready to go. Is your life so empty that you pore over comments in three week old articles in search of targets for your insults? The sum he agreed to when being selected by MLB teams has not been made public. Thats the point but take it personal. Use of any marks, trademarks, or logos on this website shall not constitute a sponsorship or endorsement by the trademark holder. Corbin Burnes going into year 5, second arb season (1 year of control after 2023) is due to make $11.3M in his second to last trip through arbitration. Thats not how you run a billion dollar company, its just not and thats exactly what they did. Are you trying to evade someone or are you incapable of understanding the difference between elude and allude. If you agree, than stop knit-picking what everyone else says. If you swap those times it would be a 1pm local start in LA, at least this way its a 4pm local start in ATL. The Braves have always gotten the day slots. While I did admire Matt Harvey in his early prime he really did a lot of stupid things. . It made them woke enough to move the all star game, but now they are ok? Thats 65m, plus his first 3 years. If Baez and Story sign for 140 add in the shift going awaythe market for Dans is at least 140 plus. He only throws 100 MPH? The Braves payed for what they wish Strider turns into, but reality says he will never post those numbers again.Maybe Im wrong, but thats a big gamble on the back of 2/3 of a season. Huge Braves fan, but youre making a reasonable point here. Another pitiful troll comment from books. He will finish 2023 with 2 years and 3 days of service time not even close to the top 22% of players in his class. Jurrjens was a Tiger in his rookie season and put up a 3.68 ERA while striking out just 6.6 per 9 in his first season with the Braves. The Braves made this deal on the assumption that Strider will both be Top 2 in ROY voting, giving him an extra year of service time, and Top 5 in Cy Young voting giving the team an extra draft pick. Past that, I think all these extensions are based on the character of the player as much as talent. If Strider is willing to take an extension now, he should be just as willing to do so again after another great year or two. Has to be mostly geographic. 8. Just saying. Mar 3, 2023, 06:00am EST. ~$15M (Arb2) It looks good for these first few years and probably bad for the last 2-3, but overall seems like a good value. Average MLB salary rose to record $4.22M in '22. And as much as I like Acuna and Albies, the injuries have already taken a toll. The idea that getting only modest performance for $20m in the last 3 years of the deal will hurt the Braves much at all, though, doesnt follow. Browse our online application for MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, EPL, or MLS player contracts, salaries, transactions, and more. If hes just a flash in the pan, this contract will hurt the Braves badly from 2026 to 2028. The Dodgers play on the west coast and you want them to play earlier then the Braves? If that happens this is even worse of a deal than it looks like at first blush. On the surface it seems like the Braves have made several excellent long-term deals with young talent. Some recent examplesHarvey (lol), Matz, Gsellman, etc. Find out more. The Braves paid him $75M. Meanwhile the Mets toss money at aging crap. Thank god, the contract was signed today based on his performance this year. Its a lot easier to reference someone who is about 70-80% of the way there. In a general sense, the Harris deal is a great one, and Riley. This is a big market spending club unfortunately, And Clayton Kershaw was going to sign with the Rangers cuz hes a local guy. He also became the first MLB pitcher to record 200 strikeouts and allow fewer than 100 hits. A look at the injuries for Spencer Strider, and the financial implications. And like I said before, he wouldnt even qualify for the ERA title. Shane Spencer didnt have elite closer K numbers as a starting pitcher. Agree MFF. Jose Ramirez begs to disagree. Braves have got it going on. Baez and Story are declining. Your proof of value starts with if. They are respected as a team on the field, but not as a market. Sunday marked the first time Strider had thrown off a mound since his Sept. 18 start against Philadelphia. Love the extension deal for a young guy. Swansons on the up. 2023 Pre Arb year $1 million (yes, MLB minimum is $700k) The Marlins are one of the furthest teams from elite in the MLB. @BaseballIsLife Thats not what the rule is. MLB 4.05M subscribers Subscribe 3.1K Share 120K views 5 months ago Don't forget to subscribe!. Striders is fine assuming he doesnt turn into what every Atlanta farm system pitcher turns into, which is garbage in 3 years. Some thoughtful Dodgers guys on here too. I was a little shocked at how quickly and how high Striders pay jumps. Cohen would give his first born to have Strider. I am sure that actuaries worked hard. I mean this in total sincerity, if you love this deal, you should never manage a real team, let alone budget your own finances personally. Theres a reason Cohen has the money he has, and it isnt by being a fool October? They are off on a lot of things, feel free too look me up, the site owner hates me for calling him out. So what? Annoying, but stuff happens.. Good job locking up one of the top young mustaches in the game. That 94 mph fastball to Rhys Hoskins is that danger more than 3 mph difference in velo from normal, which is to say, he usually sits 97-98, touching 100 and dropping as low as 96. In 2023, Strider will earn a base salary of $1,000,000, while carrying a total salary of $1,000,000. That is just temporary. He should call Chaim Bloom and give him instructions. TO make the math easy lets just say by 20%. Yanks2- If one argues that, their critical thinking skills would be worthy of criticism. Its a win-win. Yes, he started the season, which means he already has a full year of service time. Quit pretending that every Braves fan supported your ridiculous troll scenario. Over the next 6 years youd probably end up paying him $40m anyway, making the cost of your gamble roughly $40m, since presumably youre paying the buy out in 2029. If Spencer doesnt get any better than he currently is, hes still an ace. Its a shame he doesnt pitch for the Mets. And Fried is the one you need to worry about locking up. It doesnt pertain to him except for bonus money. So $250M from a team in Texas is worth $175M, while the offer from the Yankees or Mets for $250M is worth only $150M due to the tax difference. This website is not directly or indirectly affiliated, associated, or connected in any way to Major League Baseball, the National Basketball Association, the National Football League or the National Hockey League. Story 16.2 WAR Name guys that did as well as Strider. The Yankees seem to be possibly the least fan-friendly franchise in baseball. Not sure what your point is, but throwing 100 mph doesnt mean crap for a number of reasons, one there are guys like Mauricio Cabrera:, Bruce Rondn, Henry Alberto Rodriguez:, Joel Zumaya:, Tayron Guerrero, Bobby Parnell, who have touched 103 mph and none have made anywhere near that money and all had problems turning velocity into results. He was on the major league roster all season. Yes, the name Braves Butt Head about sums it up correctly! Otherwise, smart to stash the stache. The Braves arent getting a $100 ticket and hoping for either behind the dugouts or in the suite. There is a reason pitchers are not given long term deals because it is more risky than giving those deals to hitters because of injury and even then, the hitters rarely justify the extensions. So by the time hes done, the new 0-3 money will end up going in large part to him, Raleigh, Strider, Harris II, and Rutschman. These deals were made after Matt Olson received his eight-year, $168 million deal one day after being acquired from the As in March. The Braves said Tuesday they would push back Strider's next start in the hopes of avoiding a trip to the IL. It's also available for football, basketball and hockey. Cohen doesnt care. Without the extension, Strider would have been eligible for free agency after the '27 season. Whats that got to do with anything in this conversation. A visual look at how Spencer Strider ranks across the league, conference, division, and team. To be fair, theyve made it much more difficult on fans. Its all the projections every year. Using multiple accounts on the same thread shows a much bigger disconnection from reality. Strider played collegiate summer baseball for the Falmouth Commodores of the Cape Cod Baseball League in 2018. I really hope Dansby is extended and I think he will (hes a local guy and by all accounts loves being a Brave). You didnt just say Strider was better then Degrom and Bauer. This information might be about you, your preferences or your device and is mostly used to make the site work as you expect it to. Rather pay him instead of 330 or whatever to Cole. Players use that as a bargaining tactic all the time. They wont because the union wont allow it to only benefit a segment of the members. If thats the case, how do you justify to Max Fried that hes only making $22.5M through his first 5 years in the league? Strikeouts have the highest correlation with statistical fall off. Jared Shuster, LHP 4. Some high school data is courtesy David McWater. If there is a publication that picked the Mets, please send the link. The 23-year-old right-hander has pitched just two seasons above the collegiate level, but his incredible rookie season gave Atlanta confidence to make this commitment. Baseball will become a joke as far as competition is concerned. Gotta love it. Some young players start off with a bang and then quickly regress (think of Miguel Andujar with the NYY) while other players (especially pitchers) can get hurt and be out for more than a full season. They average the length of the deal. And him being top 2 in the ROY balloting has no bearing on his service time because the Braves never tried to manipulate it. The only thing accurate is the potentially, saved, and money. To an SP, well, it seems awfully risky. Theyre a tight group and theyre great young men, Snitker said. Not a super bargain like Albies Acuna but its fine. Olson, Riley, Harris, and Strider are all reasonable balances between risk and reward for both the players and the team. The net effect of them not manipulating his service time is that they get an extra draft pick as per the new CBA. He has not provided any specifics about his life, including his parents and siblings details, as well as any history linked with his youth. Why do Braves fans act like he just had the best rookie season ever? The only other way to get that channel is to splurge on the ridiculously overpriced cable providers with their ever-escalating fees. He wouldnt get anywhere near the same amount of extra money in bonuses, and thats assuming he remains good enough to get additional bonuses after this year. Team Date Transaction; November 14, 2022: Atlanta Braves activated RHP Spencer Strider. Prior to this deal, the five-year, $35MM contract Madison Bumgarner signed with the Giants more than a decade ago stood as the record extension for a pitcher with between one and two years of service time. Again, he IS a Super Two. Swanson put up a 95 OPS+ and a 14.5 bWAR in his 7 seasons in the majors. You need to check your info. Catcher Shea Langeliers and pitcher Spencer Strider, two of the top prospects in the Atlanta Braves organization, have joined the Gwinnett Stripers for the final five home games of 2021. The problem is they still have the potential to either end up in the bleachers or the nose-bleed sections, or even if they get great seats behind homeplate, they are still losing nearly 30% on the gamble. The contract will cost him $92 million if he exercises his option for seven years. hflew: This is the first pitcher (out of the 6 players) theyve signed to an extension. Same is true for Strider, this deal doesnt include or exclude those pre-arb bonuses. The annoying part is we are charged a fee as part of our cable packages to get YES, but more games this year have been splintered off to Prime, Apple and Peacock. $43m for nothing. Au contraire it is you who needs to check their info. Puts more AAV up front versus the higher luxury tax hit theyd eventually get if they went year to year through arbitration and/or later extensions. Add in that Yankees more than any other team have their games moved to ESPN and Fox, and its often a challenge to play the game of find the Yankees. Less games on YES, but no reduction in the carriage fee we pay. How do you know what hell be just as willing to do? Wonder why they stupid overpay for him? (adsbygoogle=window.adsbygoogle||[]).push({}); Ralph Kiner estimated Net Worth, Biography, Age, Height, Dating, Relationship Records, Salary, Income, Cars, Lifestyles & many more details have been updated below. Actually they did.. Youre ignoring hes going to be Top 3 in the ROY so hes going to get granted an extra year of service time. To your point, Strider hasnt come close to earning it, hes shown PROMISE, not sustained success. It allows them to know exactly how much room they have left in the budget. Mike Soroka, if he would have been extended at the same time in his career than Strider just was, would have two years of no value add to the team due to his Achilles injuries. Yeah, then every utility bench player with a heart of gold should make $10-15M a year. Sure, but then what if in those 2 years he continues putting up league-high K-rates, gets Cy votes (or wins), AS selections that increases his value exponentially, if he even wants to extend at that point. Draft: Drafted by the Cleveland Indians in the 35th round of the 2017 MLB June Amateur Draft from Christian Academy of Knoxville (Knoxville, TN) and the Atlanta Braves in the 4th round of the 2020 MLB June Amateur Draft from Clemson University (Clemson, SC). The contract, which covers the 2023-28 seasons, also contains a $22MM club option for the 2029 season. This deal will be the one people talk about for 10-20 years as the contract that forced bidding wars for starting pitchers. Imagine if they wouldve locked up Soroka. DMC: Lol all you want, but Baez is nowhere near the hitter Swanson is. The Braves have zero middle infield prospects on their top 4 mil teams. Saying that strider pitched last year too as the focal point of your comparison is disingenuous. AA said as much in his interviews today when discussing Striders health, work habits, team fit, and overall excellence for his age. Hes the steady eddie kind of player that gets under valued by fans. Theyll probably lose even more money on those years than they gain with the discount on the one or two free agent years, which probably would only be worth $30M max per season even if everything goes mostly right for him. All I see is people talking about record setting arb numbers without providing examples with any math. With future commitments, he still has a lot to accomplish in his life. They're projected to have a league-high $61.7 million in salary-cap space, . Every FA in Swansons class is going to be more expensive than he will. Javascript is required for the selection of a player. @Run. Yeah, selling tickets is all that matters. They may be used by those companies to build a profile of your interests and show you relevant adverts on other sites. Im a Braves fan who believes that there are plenty of fans of other teams who have common sense, knowledge, and good manners. Neither Strider nor Harris II were ranked in the top 100 prospects by the media outlets that MLB is using to qualify rookies for increased service time and teams getting extra draft picks. You see the pieces that are already in place. Career Earnings: View Spencer Strider 's Teammates Salaries Current Contract: From the official MLB site: To qualify for the Super Two designation, players must rank in the top 22 percent, in terms of service time, among those who have amassed between two and three years in the Majors. Look what Gerrit Cole was able to get. Ill hang up and listen. Of course, thats certainly not all the Braves will do this winter. Lets not get silly and act like the Braves ran away with it and were disrespected. Not going to roast you on Sewmake, Mercenary, but imo theres no possibility of him being considered as a viable replacement for Swanson. His 182Ks this year feels more Stantonian than it should for a mid-range power hitter like Swanson. Baez 14.5 WAR Strider will make $1 million each of the next two seasons and $4 million in 2025. Creating a winning environment. I would imagine the MLBPA, other pitchers around the league, and the agents that represent those pitchers are all thrilled to see this contract. Played 2019 w/a bad heel. 2023 Fantasy Baseball Mock Draft: Salary cap (auction) results for Head-to-Head (H2H) points league . If they had done the same with Jurrjens or Hanson or Wood this wouldnt have gone well. Strider was added to the Atlanta active roster on October 1, 2021, and made his main league debut with one inning of relief against the New York Mets. With pitchers, it seems every one goes down with season ending shoulder, elbow and back injuries. Strider has improved his reputation this season. Anyone who can sign up to a website and verify a second factor of authorization can do it. They do not store directly personal information, but are based on uniquely identifying your browser and internet device. Baez currently is one of the worst hitting SS in MLB. Google elude. Spencer Strider was born on October 28, 1998. "And go out and keep doing what we've been doing.". Now sign 7! 2024: minimum Strider is a lock to be Top 2 in ROY voting which gives him an extra year of service time. What would 2 years of Cole cost, instead of 9/324m? Prior to his walk year, he had an 8.8 career bWAR, or 2.1/650 PAs. I didnt know what he meant. Because extensions, more so than free-agent contracts, draw heavily from recent comparables, the Strider deal in many ways paves the way for new precedent to be established in multiple service classes. Our reasoning for presenting offensive logos. What's the Dodgers' plan at shortstop? Even if he does remain this good in a best case scenario, he would only approach the amount hes being guaranteed over those 2 pre-arb years and 3 arb years, and the team should get a significant discount on those arb years in such an early career extension, anyway.
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