Please materialize. Read more about The Immortality Key by Brian Muraresku Making Sense by Sam Harris And that's where oversight comes in handy. Now, I mentioned that Brian and I had become friends. BRIAN MURARESKU: I don't-- I don't claim too heavily. CHARLES STANG: Brian, I want to thank you for your time. And I got to say, there's not a heck of a lot of eye rolling, assuming people read my afterword and try to see how careful I am about delineating what is knowable and what is not and what this means for the future of religion. And the one thing that unites both of those worlds in this research called the pagan continuity hypothesis, the one thing we can bet on is the sacred language of Greek. "@BrianMuraresku with @DocMarkPlotkin The Eleusinian Mysteries, Discovering the Divine, The Immortality Key, The Pagan Continuity Hypothesis, Lessons from Scholar Karen Armstrong, and Much More" Please enjoy! Thank you. And so for me, this was a hunt through the catacombs and archives and libraries, doing my sweet-talking, and trying to figure out what was behind some of those locked doors. I mean, I think the book makes it clear. What was the wine in the early Eucharist? And I hear-- I sense that narrative in your book. All right, so now, let's follow up with Dionysus, but let's see here. It tested positive for the microscopic remains of beer and also ergot, exactly the hypothesis that had been put forward in 1978 by the disgraced professor across town from you, Carl Ruck, who's now 85 years old, by the way. So we're going down parallel paths here, and I feel we're caught between FDA-approved therapeutics and RFRA-protected sacraments, RFRA, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, or what becomes of these kinds of substances in any kind of legal format-- which they're not legal at the moment, some would argue. Liked by Samuel Zuschlag. The Continuity Hypothesis was put forward by John Bowlby (1953) as a critical effect of attachments in his development of Attachment Theory. Brought to you by Like in Israel. Books about pagan continuity hypothesis? 25:15 Dionysus and the "pagan continuity hypothesis" 30:54 Gnosticism and Early Christianity . He dared to ask this very question before the hypothesis that this Eleusinian sacrament was indeed a psychedelic, and am I right that it was Ruck's hypothesis that set you down this path all those many years ago at Brown? Where are the drugs? And so I don't think that psychedelics are coming to replace the Sunday Eucharist. But the next event in this series will happen sooner than that. CHARLES STANG: All right. So Dionysus is not the god of alcohol. And let's start with our earliest evidence from the Stone Age and the Bronze Age. As a matter of fact, I think it's much more promising and much more fertile for scholarship to suggest that some of the earliest Christians may have availed themselves of a psychedelic sacrament and may have interpreted the Last Supper as some kind of invitation to open psychedelia, that mystical supper as the orthodox call it, [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]. And she happened to find it on psilocybin. So. So you were unable to test the vessels on site in Eleusis, which is what led you to, if I have this argument right, to Greek colonies around the Mediterranean. . So to find dog sacrifice inside this Greek sanctuary alludes to this proto-witch, Hecate, the mother of Circe, who is mentioned in the same hymn to Demeter from the 8th, 7th century BC, as kind of the third of the goddesses to whom these mysteries were dedicated. Tim Ferriss is a self-experimenter and bestselling author, best known for The 4-Hour Workweek, which has been translated into 40+ languages. But unfortunately, it doesn't connect it to Christianity. So I got a copy of it from the Library of Congress, started reading through, and there, in fact, I was reading about this incredible discovery from the '90s. Perhaps more generally, you could just talk about other traditions around the Mediterranean, North African, or, let's even say Judaism. I see a huge need and a demand for young religious clergy to begin taking a look at this stuff. Now, Brian managed to write this book while holding down a full time practice in international law based in Washington DC. The most influential religious historian of the twentieth century, Huston Smith, once referred to it as the "best-kept secret" in history. But maybe you could just say something about this community in Catalonia. You obviously think these are powerful substances with profound effects that track with reality. Just from reading Dioscorides and reading all the different texts, the past 12 years have absolutely transformed the way I think about wine. But curiously, it's evidence for a eye ointment which is supposed to induce visions and was used as part of a liturgy in the cult of Mithras. It's not just Cana. Just imagine, I have to live with me. Because ergot is just very common. The Immortality Key, The Secret History of the Religion With No Name. Are they rolling their eyes, or are you getting sort of secretive knowing nods of agreement? Here's another one. That's, just absurd. And so part of what it means to be a priest or a minister or a rabbi is to sit with the dying and the dead. So you lean on the good work of Harvard's own Arthur Darby Nock, and more recently, the work of Dennis McDonald at Claremont School of Theology, to suggest that the author of the Gospel of John deliberately paints Jesus and his Eucharist in the colors of Dionysus. I appreciate this. Dogs, indicative of the Greek goddess Hecate, who, amongst other things was known as the [GREEK], the dog eater. We still have almost 700 with us. Not because it was brand new data. So let's start, then, the first act. For me, that's a question, and it will yield more questions. We know that at the time of Jesus, before, during, and after, there were recipes floating around. According to Muraresku, this work, which "presents the pagan continuity hypothesis with a psychedelic twist," addresses two fundamental questions: "Before the rise of Christianity, did the Ancient Greeks consume a secret psychedelic sacrament during their most famous and well-attended religious rituals? And Ruck, and you following Ruck, make much of this, suggesting maybe the Gnostics are pharmacologists of some kind. Thank you, sir. On Monday, February 22, we will be hosting a panel discussion taking up the question what is psychedelic chaplaincy. Not in every single case, obviously. I'm happy to argue about that. I try to be careful to always land on a lawyer's feet and be very honest with you and everybody else about where this goes from here. This time around, we have a very special edition featuring Dr. Mark Plotkin and Brian C . We have some inscriptions. It's not to say that there isn't evidence from Alexandria or Antioch. Brian is the author of a remarkable new book that has garnered a lot of attention and has sold a great many copies. And I don't know if there's other examples of such things. Before I set forth the outline of this thesis, three topics must be discussed in order to establish a basic understanding of the religious terminology, Constantine's reign, and the contemporary sources. I understand more papers are about to be published on this. So I spent 12 years looking for that data, eventually found it, of all places, in Catalonia in Spain in this 635-page monograph that was published in 2002 and for one reason or another-- probably because it was written in Catalan-- was not widely reported to the academic community and went largely ignored. You mentioned there were lots of dead ends, and there certainly were. 474, ?] Tim Ferriss is a self-experimenter and bestselling author, best known for The 4-Hour Workweek, which has been translated into 40+ languages. So don't feel like you have to go into great depth at this point. And if it only occurs in John, the big question is why. This time, tonight I'll say that it's just not my time yet. They're mixing potions. 55 This is very likely as it seems that the process had already started in the 4th century. But in any case, Ruck had his career, well, savaged, in some sense, by the reaction to his daring to take this hypothesis seriously, this question seriously. The continuity theory of normal aging states that older adults will usually maintain the same activities, behaviors, relationships as they did in their earlier years of life. Despite its popular appeal as a New York Times Bestseller, TIK fails to make a compelling case for its grand theory of the "pagan continuity hypothesis with a psychedelic twist" due to recurring overreach and historical distortion, failure to consider relevant research on shamanism and Christianity, and presentation of speculation as fact There's a moment in the book where you are excited about some hard evidence. I mean, so Walter Burkert was part of the reason that kept me going on. And I think that that's the real question here. Then I'll ask a series of questions that follow the course of his book, focusing on the different ancient religious traditions, the evidence for their psychedelic sacraments, and most importantly, whether and how the assembled evidence yields a coherent picture of the past. Church of the Saints Faustina and Liberata, view from the outside with the entrance enclosure, at "Sante" place, Capo di Ponte (Italy). So again, if there were an early psychedelic sacrament that was being suppressed, I'd expect that the suppressors would talk about it. And if the latter, do you think there's a good chance that religions will adopt psychedelics back into their rituals?". I wish the church fathers were better botanists and would rail against the specific pharmacopeia. BRIAN MURARESKU: Great question. You become one with Christ by drinking that. I would expect we'd have ample evidence. And please just call me Charlie. Maybe there's a spark of the divine within. Something else I include at the end of my book is that I don't think that whatever this was, this big if about a psychedelic Eucharist, I don't think this was a majority of the paleo-Christians. That event is already up on our website and open for registration. That also only occurs in John, another epithet of Dionysus. And so in the epilogue, I say we simply do not know the relationship between this site in Spain and Eleusis, nor do we know what was happening at-- it doesn't automatically mean that Eleusis was a psychedelic rite. And that is that there was a pervasive religion, ancient religion, that involved psychedelic sacraments, and that that pervasive religious culture filtered into the Greek mysteries and eventually into early Christianity. Up until that point I really had very little knowledge of psychedelics, personal or literary or otherwise. Examine the pros and cons of the continuity theory of aging, specifically in terms of how it neglects to consider social institutions or chronically ill adults. So the big question is, what kind of drug was this, if it was a drug? Copyright 2023 President and Fellows of Harvard College. We have other textual evidence. But it's not an ingested psychedelic. And if it's one thing Catholicism does very, very well, it's contemplative mysticism. And what the FDA can do is make sure that they're doing it in a way that it's absolutely safe and efficacious. It's some kind of wine-based concoction, some kind of something that is throwing these people into ecstasy. I'm currently reading The Immortality Key by Brian Muraresku and find this 2nd/3rd/4th century AD time period very interesting, particularly with regards to the adoptions of pagan rituals and practices by early Christianity. BRIAN MURARESKU: I look forward to it, Charlie. Now, here's-- let's tack away from hard, scientific, archaeobotanical evidence for a moment. You also find a Greek hearth inside this sanctuary. And I think that's an important distinction to make. CHARLES STANG: OK. And he found some beer and wine-- that was a bit surprising. And what you're referring to is-- and how I begin the book is this beautiful Greek phrase, [SPEAKING GREEK]. And if there's historical precedent for it, all the more so. Mark and Brian cover the Eleusinian Mysteries, the pagan continuity hypothesis, early Christianity, lessons from famed religious scholar Karen Armstrong, overlooked aspects of influential philosopher William James's career, ancient wine and ancient beer, experiencing the divine within us, the importance of "tikkun olam"repairing and .
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