Roughly in 2014, I was going through some books in our bookshelf, and my eyes came upon the Big Book (Alcoholics Anonymous), and an Alateen book that I had for quite a long time. With maturity comes discernment, and with discernment comes an understanding that just because something may have been beneficial, or helpful, does not mean that it is sanctioned by God. This is why I stress within my blog that this is leading people to accept a different gospel. It was not until a few years ago that I really started to know the truth about AA, as well as other recovery groups with a foundation in AA, that even profess to be Christian alternatives. The one woman though, who had praised Jesus, wanted me to stay and chat with her for a little while. We have all been lied to or deceived on some level or another, however once we know the truth, we are held accountable and can no longer hide under the mercy of the Father while we were in ignorance. Once the flesh is crucified it will no longer desire it. To Christ I conceded the certainty of a great man, not too closely followed by those who claimed Him. "This is a great place to hold an event. They know that it worked for them, and thats the greatest story they have.. So, I dont think we really have differing views on this, as you can be led into a church, program or group to share the truth of Gods Word, without necessarily being a partaker in it. In other ways I know both programs have brought people into their recovery process and even drawn them to Jesus. I was rejected by all those whom I shared the truth within CR that day, and I understood that would happen, because of what the Father had sent me to do. What partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? I dont agree with that. Eventually Baker considered himself a functioning alcoholic, turning his back on God and separating from his wife. Since 2005 we have been to India five times to conduct pastors' conferences and to visit the orphanage we support in Machilipatnam. I will say too, that these programs do sometimes act as a religion and Ive seen that for myself, but just as when I go to church or study my Bible, I have to let God guide me away from the false preachings and allow Him to give the message that is meant for me. Gods Word is clear about trying to mix pagan worship or other religions with His. As the story goes, Warren replied, Great, Johngo do it! and the program soon launched at Saddleback. I am only going to provide, and go over a few of the steps, as I think it would be to exhaustive to go over every single one. Alcoholics and Addicts are deeply inflicted with this sin sickness. 3) We made a decision to turn our lives and our wills over to the care of God. A person could choose Buddha, Allah, Shati, Satan, as well as AA itself. By working and applying these Biblical principles, we begin to grow spiritually. If you have a drinking problem in 2014, or a drug problem, or a gambling problem, your medically, socially, culturally, and politically mandated solution is a set of 12 . Search: Dangers Of Celebrate Recovery. So, if you are sharing the truth about Gods Word, and how it contradicts the doctrine and spiritual application within AA, then great, but I am not sure how they would allow that to continue if the leaders of AA became known you were speaking out against the program. Gender-specific Groups meet for issues with anger, co-dependency, chemical addiction food addictions, sexual integrity, survivors of abuse, grief, and life issues. Those who profess to be a believer in Jesus/Yeshua should repent of any and all involvement, and get rid of any material associated, to include: books, chips, manuals, etc. Here are ten common situations that are very dangerous to a person in recovery. This is a good read and that is what God has laid in my heart over the years of my addiction and recovery. The Celebrate Recovery Bible has been designed to work with the resources developed and tested in the national and international ministry of Celebrate Recovery. The topical groups vary by site, and some. Thirty years ago John Baker turned the ruins of his life over to Jesus Christ and God transformed him from a driven businessman with an addiction to alcohol, a failing marriage, and alienated children to a Christ-follower with a passion to help others with their hurts, habits, and hang-ups through the principles of recovery, wrote Kay Warren, cofounder of Saddleback Church and a mental health advocate. Blind yourselves and be blind! The program addresses not just alcoholism and drug addiction, but codependency, depression, eating disorders, gambling, sexual addiction and sexual abuse. About Of Dangers Recovery Celebrate Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the LORD your God is with you wherever you go.. Continued on with my story above, I started to attend Celebrate Recovery(CR), as prompted by the Spirit, even with the knowledge that it was a program that was directly tied to Rick Warren and Saddleback church: John Baker was an alcoholic and staff member of Saddleback Church who began healing through Alcoholics Anonymous. None of these women, spoke to me again, nor did I ever go back to Celebrate Recovery, as my assignment there was done. 4. Giving that asks no reward. Action its keyword. Are these 12 steps in alignment with the Scriptures? A new state of consciousness and being is received as a free gift. A perpetual drunkard, is being in perpetual sin, and those who do so, do not inherit the Kingdom. Celebrate Recovery (CR) meets at 6 p.m. Saturdays at Good Shepherd Church, 2341 S. Military Trail, West Palm Beach, featuring dinner, a big meeting and small open share groups. The Celebrate Recovery Bible on Kindle, iBooks and Nook are also approved curriculum. However, as she began the meeting, she had decided for the other group leader to go first who was sitting to my left. Initially when I went through rehab, now over 13 years ago, I went briefly through AA(Alcoholics Anonymous) as it was a requirement of the rehabilitation program I was part of. Perhaps, in learning these truths, God might want you to share this with others; and yes, while you are correct, it might, and probably will offend. My KJV Bible is all I need in this life plus my brothers and sisters in Christ. Through much prayer, and acquiring the Fathers will, the Spirit instructed me when I needed to go back, to finish what He had begun in me. They'll say, "I don't know anybody that doesn't need recovery" where I often chimed in, "I don't know anyone who doesn't need Jesus." They are drunk, but not with wine; They stagger, but not with intoxicating drink. I believe that God has put me there for some reason so Im waiting on Him right now. BE SOBER-MINDED. It is a tactic of the enemy within the thoughts of men to say well, how can this be bad, if I have seen good in it. Because even darkness can appear as something good, that is why Eve took a bite of the forbidden fruit. Jun 12, 2015 - Explore Raquel Aguillon's board "Celebrate Recovery ", followed by 229 people on Pinterest. Instead, they have turned to unconventional and esoteric sources in the hopes of finding what they seek in the ambiance of the mystical, magical and metaphysical.1 Given these tendencies, the Jesus of orthodox Christianity may seem inadequate. They literally drain us and leave us feeling fatigued, unmotivated and even depressed. Readiness to receive free gift lies in practice of Twelve Steps. The ministry, started at Saddleback Church in the 1990s, announced the news of his death Tuesday (Feb. 23) on social media. We all need to be encouraged from time to time, and I am thankful that this has helped you to be able to make some difficult decisions. I have gone and still go to CR meetings. I lived at AA and Alanon meetings for years and was helped tremendously and then almost completely stopped. How you define any program that has a veneer of righteousness connected to it, should be tested to the Word of God. Dependence as a means to independence. This is what brings us to our Lord. Do not perceive yourself as lovable and worthwhile. No Celebrities Except Jesus: How Asbury Protected the Revival, After Pushing for UMC Unity, Former Bishop Joins New Denomination, The Kings College Faces Threat of Closure, Southern Baptist Convention Disfellowships Saddleback Church, With Gossip of the Gospel, the Church Grows in Nepal. Copyright 2002-2023 Got Questions Ministries. The only way for that to happen is through repentance of these programs/doctrines. I did not understand that this was a New Age practice, which was to focus on specific auras coming from different points of my body. He delivered me completely of alcohol, and a great many of other things. Celebrate Recovery IS: A safe place to share; A place of refuge; A place of belonging; A place to care for others and be cared for; A place where respect is given to each member; A place where confidentiality is highly regarded; A place to learn; A place to demonstrate genuine love; A place to grow and become strong again; A place for progress nph: to be sober, to abstain from wine. Do not ask others to meet your needs or desires. Subscribe to CT Some Celebrate Recovery groups offer childcare, Celebration Place for kids and The Landing for youth. All those in A.A. are "recovering" alcoholics, who, according to A.A., never completely recover. The Bible tells us to hate sin and evil, to cut it out of our life. Call us today at 800-256-3490 to begin your journey. 12For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD(YHWH): and because of these abominations the LORD(YHWH) thy God doth drive them out from before thee. Celebrate Recovery is credited with helping destigmatize addiction among evangelicals and opening the church up as a safer place for recovery. During the past 25 years, some 20,000 churches in the United States have reportedly used CR, with some 2.5 million people having completed the program. More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! Dangers of Celebratory Occasions in Recovery Most people in recovery will be prepared for their sobriety to be tested when times are hard. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. I believe sin is a sicknesses. AA is just another false religion, trying to go in another way: We have no desire to convince anyone that there is only one way by which faith can be acquired(Alcoholics Anonymous Big Book, pg. What partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? For myself, I had adopted those parts which seemed convenient and not too difficult; the rest I disregarded. (Alcoholics Anonymous Big Book, pg.11). Start your new life now! Then, the seemingly virtuous entities would elbow them out with messages of comfort, information, adviceand sometimes just sheer nonsense.. My grandfather passed before I was born, so while I did not know him, I was told he was an alcoholic and was involved in AA. Go and see for yourself. This is evident as you compare each step with the scriptures. Jesus must be rescued from a pedestrian and parochial orthodoxy that demands he monopolize the deity.. Our staff is up-to-date and knowledgeable, and we are standing by to help you on your road to recovery. A.A. does not demand belief; Twelve Steps are only suggestions. Celebrate Recovery is a proven 25+ year old Christ-based 12-step program based on the Beatitudes. Meditate on this Scripture passage, and allow the Holy Spirit to bolden your faith and courage in Him to speak the truth: Joshua 1:9Have I not commanded you to be strong and courageous? It means that the individual is returning to old ineffective coping strategies for dealing with life. Baker immediately saw the need to connect the gospel with the recovery program he had gone through. Readiness to receive free gift lies in practice of Twelve Steps. We are here for you online 24/7! Wow. I would like to serve Him some other way, in another ministry. Plight of the disillusioned. I was not her sponsor for too much longer after that, as Father had other plans for me, and later led me to go to a program called Celebrate Recovery. However, what is the true motive of this program, what is its foundation, and is it suitable for those who profess to be walking with Messiah? During the worship time, I sat in the back reading my Word. This tried and proven recovery system uses the traditional methods of issue groups, sponsors, accountability partners, and community to build recovery for those struggling with addictive habits, codependency, childhood hurts, and other life experiences that affect our peace. In fact, there are many programs and practices that may appear to be beneficial to the mind and body, yet when we test those practices against the word of God, they are proven to be false. The Celebrate Recovery Step Studies use the 12 Steps with their biblical comparisons and the eight principles that are based on the Beatitudes. I too may have mixed feelings about this post. Read reviews, compare customer ratings, see screenshots, and learn more about Celebrate Recovery. Judge everything you think, say, or do harshly, as never "good enough." Are a perfectionist. Too many churches judge them for who and what they are instead of trying to help them. However, unlike negative energy that simply attaches itself and hovers over us like a dark cloud, energetic parasites feed on our energy. I admit that I am powerless to control my tendency to do the wrong thing, and my life is unmanageable. John was a great leader, and he will be greatly missed, but the impact of his faithful obedience will go on for generations, Ackerman wrote in tribute. Defiance is an out standing characteristic of alcoholics. For those who would like more resources here are some links: http://www.anti-antichrist.com/soap/lanagan.html, http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/aaroots.html, https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/ (Search for AA). The Dangers of Dishonesty in Recovery. The Scriptures and the true gospel of salvation are very different then an all inclusive faith, of which all ways are acceptable. Needless to say, CR has had a major influence on the church. I also, have experienced Gods grace and mercy through the Holy Spirit through some churches I have encountered that was amazing. When I was in CR (Celebrate Recovery) which I talk on within most of my post and testimony, is that God used me to bring His Light and truth to the darkness that both AA/CR have as a foundation. These first three steps of the 12, undermine the gospel, and allow an individual to accept whatever higher power they choose. Or perhaps a sort of alternative that is more Christ centered such as Celebrate Recovery? Celebrate Recovery Bible by Zondervan Staff (2007, Hardcover) (4) $9.99. 3. Self-righteousness. Substitution of A.A. as Higher Power. Leviticus 19:31Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD(YHWH) your God. This is why we are warned throughout the NT writings to not be deceived. Luke 12:47And that servant, which knew his lords will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. Thank you for sharing, and I am glad that you have had your eyes opened to the deceptiveness of this program. If so, then I challenge you to put your emotions aside from the program, and dig into the Word. This is a dangerous form of denial. (Mat 16:19-20). For some, this repentance is quickly and some it is slowly as God meets us with our willingness at whatever point we are in life. 3525 nph properly, to be sober (not drunk), not intoxicated; (figuratively) free from illusion, i.e. The last thing I want to do is delve deeper into my issues/motivations/whatever. His efforts to make amends to his wife, Cheryl, as part of the 12 steps led to him attending Saddleback Church with her, hearing Rick Warren preach, and renewing their marriage vows in a span of months. I began slowly and shared about the woman Yah first had me sponsor, and I recited Acts 2:38, and I went through the 10 Commandments, and what sin is, and what repentance is. A sister meeting called The Landing is available for students in grades 7 and up. How shall we let God into our lives? However, that is part of what it means to count the cost (Luke 14:28) of following Christ. Next, I moved on to being baptized, which both my husband and I were able to actually do for her. If you chose to eat ten candy bars every day and to never brush your teeth, they would start rotting out. I couldnt wrap my mind around the Beatitudes being misrepresented in the steps of CR. Once we have knowledge of the truth, then we are held accountable to that truth. We cannot trust our experiences and how we feel as a sole measure of something to be good. With 40% to 60% of those with a substance use disorder who receive treatment relapsing within the first year, some people even refer to relapse as a natural part of recovery. Celebrate Recovery founder John Baker, who turned his testimony recovering from alcoholism into a biblical 12-step program used by more than 7 million people, died unexpectedly on Tuesday at age 72. It's important to realize relapse is more of a process as opposed to a mere lapse in judgment. I was never once told that it was a sin. While your experiences, are your experiences, they should never override that of sound doctrine. I hope you consider and pray on the things I have brought up, and really examine this program to see if it truly aligns with the word of God. Some people understand what weve been through and some do not. Both alcohol and drugs impair judgment and control of the body. God is good, all the time. One of my last few meetings, the Spirit had come upon me so strong during my 5 minutes(we were only ever allowed to speak for 5 minutes) of talking that I exposed and rebuked the lie of Alcoholism being a disease, confronting it as the sin of drunkenness, that the saying once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic is a lie from the pit of hell, and that the the blood of the Lamb, Jesus Christ can set us free from all bondage, and that His Word says that we no longer need to be identified with our sin, once it has been repented and been crucified with Christ. I understand that people, even those like myself, have been helped through these programs, however, the ultimate purpose of these programs are to lead people to dependency on the program itself, which is why in the 12th step of the AA program it teaches to: 12) Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs. Joy of living is the theme of the Twelfth Step. I previously completed step studies and attended CR as a participant. | We have Graphic Designers to assist you | service@banners.com 1.866.419.SIGN. Even the very symbol that is used on the AA book is very occultic, as seen from the pictures provided. We will all stand before the judgement seat of the Lord, and give an account of our lives. You bring up several great points, ones that I became very familiar with while attending the program. Embarrassed to receive recognition and praise, or gifts. While a lapse can be a single event such as a poor decision of going . He has taught the Bible and preached in places as varied as Russia, Northern Ireland, Bhutan, and Egypt. Recovery signals a dramatic shift in the expectation for positive outcomes for individuals who experience mental and substance use conditions or the co-occurring of the two. Happy are those who know they are spiritutally poor. Before I go further, I want to share something on this topic. During the times of Yeshua and the disciples, there was no need of recovery groups or reliance on a 12 step program, when they had the Word of God, and His Spirit. And Love indeed had a pricethe price that Yeshua paid with His own life. Every meeting, except my last, I was always led to open my Word and read directly from it. According to Step 3, it is like opening a door, however is going in another way other than Yeshua (Joh 10:7), as a person submits to a higher power. It may use terms like god, creator, higher power, however, the god and creator that they speak is not that of Jesus/Yeshua. Ebony, thank you for taking the time to share that with me. AA/NA holds people in bondage, making them think they are free. While also providing a witness and a rebuke to the women leaders or the womens group, as it was preaching different gospel, and a different Jesus/Yeshua.. Pastor John was never content just to save souls. (KJV), Isaiah 8:19And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? I confronted her on the involvement of Rick Warren, AAs non biblical stance and that basically she and others are leading people astray and that they should be presenting the gospel of sin, repentance and being set free from bondage. Sign up for our newsletter: Whatever works to get them there or even the ones affected. Forest Brook Community Church. 27). I take comfort in the thought that as John enters the presence of his Lord, he will hear the words, Great, Johnyou did it!. Who am I? Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! Wilson was also not shy in expressing how he felt about Jesus/Yeshua Christ. If God can work through the mouth of a mule he can work through anyone he chooses. I sat down with my bible on my lap, that I could not open, but with Scripture memorized, and words that I knew to speak. Celebrate Recovery is a Christ-centered ministry of discipleship and healing designed to help adults and families overcome different struggles in life as they grow together in a relationship with God. The Danger of Teaching Information Without Application By Rick Warren I believe the number one problem with preaching in America is its lack of application. 10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.(KJV). 2 Corinthians 6:14-16 This is the antichrist, who denies the Father and the Son. Anything that impairs your mind, will also affect your spiritual wellbeing, and can lead into sinful choices. 2 Cor 11:13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. All rights reserved. Baker, Celebrate Recovery Leader's Guide, 12). Meeting Time: Tuesday 7:00 PM. This program is being run at my home church and I love the church (Biblical teaching) and dont want it to feel awkward. Most people cannot stay sober or clean or free from any perversion for more than six months on average, only to "go back out". Ive seen Gods fruit in AA and CR as anything Good comes from God. So, below I have steps 1-3, and 12, all of which were quoted directly from 12-Steps and 12-Traditions. The desire of alcohol is a lust of the flesh. Bakers ministry began in 1991 at Saddleback Church in California and has spread to 35,000 churches nationwide over the decades. Celebrate Recovery is a Christ-centered 12-step program designed for all "hurts, hangups, and habits," including those caused by emotional, mental, and spiritual dysfunction.As one of the seven largest addiction recovery support programs, Celebrate Recovery is designed to be a confidential place where attendees can work through their "stuff" in a safe and God-honoring place. I then took out my bible and began to read until both I and my time was finished. We become free from our addictive, compulsive, and dysfunctional behaviors. So with that said, we all have to start somewhere and often its on the wrong path before we truly find our Lord. Action its keyword. This is why we are told to come out, Be ye separate, Be holy, as He is Holy. Your email address will not be published. This is why people become deceived and un-willing to accept that possibility. (Pg 5), Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.What can we believe in? It reminds me of a favorite passage of mine: Hebrews 11:25Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; 26Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward. So, I was immediately led to Acts 2:38, and the Spirit had me to start at repentance. Its not my place to tell others what to do. 2. Contact the group directly to see if these are offered. Celebrate Recovery has been a great program for me as well as thousands of others that need the love and support of others. Likewise, the acceptance of false doctrine will also impair correct judgment and can lead to spiritual decay/death. There are many who have either themselves or known someone to have gone through AA, NA, Alanon, etc. Celebrate Recovery is a biblical and balanced program that helps us overcome our hurts, hang-ups, and habits. Roadblocks of indifference and prejudice. This is what I did, as led by the Holy Spirit. The Bible tells us to hate sin and evil, to cut it out of our life. I fully agree! The ministry is "group based." All groups are gender specific and use the Small Group . While growing up, I was familiar with the term AA and Alanon, as my grandfather was an alcoholic, as well as other family members. Too many pastors use an academic model in which they simply lecture their congregations. Celebrate Recovery gives the support and love that so many churches fail at. John Baker continues to be the primary author of The Celebrate Recovery curriculum and materials (quoted from Wikipedia). I know several people who were addicts and now can occasionally partake in rare occasions because they no longer want the life they had before . Many alcoholic/addicts are not ready for solid food 1Cor3:2, Heb5:14. 3. Structured as an ongoing 52-week program, The Landing aims to help hurting teenagers get closer to Jesus as they learn key principles based on the Beatitudes to live a . There was only one woman after me, that was the program group leader for the night, that sat to my right, that proclaimed the Name Jesus, and what He had done for her. A Believer cannot be equally yoked with unbelievers. 10h 30m. 20:2). The spirit is willing, but the body is weak." We've been talking the last seven weeks about coming out of the dark, exposing our problems to the light of God's love, and . You said, Why do we need 12 steps when the only step our Saviour has told us to do is repent and turn away from sin/evil. I was informed that the lead woman of the group would not be there(the same one who had pulled me aside), and that I would be speaking first when the group began. First Baptist Church of Arnold (10.7 mi) 2012 Missouri State Road, Arnold, Missouri 63010 United States. We are called to be in the world, but not of the world. See ya, Baker said. Misuse of willpower. I had provided her some more truth concerning Rick Warren, but ultimately she did not understand what my purpose was there, and told me that I could not come back to Celebrate Recovery. From that point on, I cannot recall all that I spoke, however, I remember the power of the Holy Spirit was so strong, that not only did I literally believe that time was stopped for me to speak, but I could feel all the demons around me being held back and I was engulfed in this protective shell. Isnt God sovereign? I am glad that you found this blog edifying. Romantic relationships can be a great source of happiness in sobriety, but they can also be the source of great pain. You don't have to face alcohol addiction alone, so give us a call today to get started at 888-448-0302. The atmosphere had changed, and I could sense the Spirit strong with me, and guided my every step. Perhaps if you took the time to look into this further, you might begin to see a lot of the deception surrounding this, as while I do appreciate your comment, and believe it to be sincere, the deception is still very strong. 35Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness. Much love to you Kellie and your endeavors . There were malign and mischievous ones of all descriptions, telling of vices quite beyond my ken, even as former alcoholics. I dont doubt that God is using those willing, to draw people away from this into the truth. However, what is the true motive of this program, what is it's foundation, and is it suitable for those who profess to be walking with Messiah? Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Im going through something similar at my job. (Pgs 8-9). Two members of that group William(Bill) Wilson, and Dr. Bob Smith came together in 1935 to officially start what is known as AA. Have been having more and more doubts about it as time has gone on. I would like to also share a few things if you will so allow me.. While I understand that you may feel comfortable at your current church, perhaps the Lord is encouraging you to take a step forward in faith and maturity and be out of your comfort zone. So, now what about the 12 steps? Mark 14:38 38 Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. It isnt just the impact he had on individual lives but on all of those who loved those who decided to walk into a Celebrate Recovery meeting..
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