Traditional .270s are limited by 1:10 rifling twist to 150-grain bullets. Mag., .270 WSM, and 27 Nosler step it up a few notches, and the 6.8 Western with its fast twist barrels nudges bullet weights to the upper end of the 7mm line up. So, I dont believe any 7mm hits as hard as a .30-caliber. I would go with the 28. On the other side of the caliber scale are the .35 Whelen (.30/06 necked up) and various .375s. One of the main differences between the 26 Nosler vs 28 Nosler is velocity. But elk stopping performance typically comes with a price: recoil. because the latter rolls out those wide, .338-inch diameter 250-grain bullets. Mags. With a .28 Nosler and a TTSX, you can pretty much guarantee a full passthrough on almost any angle. I also think extreme-range shooters with traditional to semi-traditional tastes will gravitate to the Nosler in a bolt-action rifle like the M48. To prevent the risk of a 28 Nosler cartridge being chambered in a 27 Nosler chamber, the shoulder of the 27 Nosler has been moved slightly rearward, lengthening the neck slightly. I took some big elk with the Swift A-Frame and bullet performance was exceptional. 28 Nosler is a one and done for everything on NA. slug from the .300 Win. Video of Elk Being Shot with .28 Noslerif(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'backfire_tv-box-4','ezslot_13',175,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-backfire_tv-box-4-0'); Nosler even advertises the .28 Nosler primarily as an elk cartridge. Zero both three inches high at 100 yards and at 400 yards they both drop 11.3 inches and deflect about 8.5 inches in that 10 mph breeze. In these scenarios, shots are likely to be close and fast, and a bugling bull is pumped with adrenaline. We manufacture Partition, AccuBond, E-Tip, Ballistic Tip, Custom Competition and much more. Elk wont care one way or the other so long as you use a suitable bullet and park it properly. Mag.,) the 27 Nosler should be able to nudge a 165-grain along at 3,100 fps, perhaps 3,150 fps. This point, however, brings up a problem with the .28 Nosler if you plan to shoot factory loads rather than reloading yourself. First, 7mm bullets tend to have better aerodynamics, so they will strut their stuff better at longer ranges. Cartridge means the case that holds the powder that drives the bullet. Joined Feb 1, 2016 Messages 82. Fully prepped, Nosler premium cartridge brass in 27 Nosler will be available in 25ct boxes. Mag., .338 RUM, .338 Lapua Mag., and massive .338-378 Wby. I could go for one of the several faster .33s, but Ive tried most of them. In local stores, you are unlikely to find anything other than Hornadys Precision Hunter 162-grain ELD-X, or a Noslers 175-grain Trophy Hunter load with an Accubond bullet. The .300 Win Mag is the worlds most popular magnum. But where it deviates from its barrel-diameter brethren is in case capacity. The cartridge fires a bullet with a diameter of .284 inches or 7mm. Nonsense. In addition to the caliber, Nosler also introduced new 165gr . In addition to the caliber, Nosler also introduced new 165gr . Not exactly modern, not sizzling, hot or sexy. Here was the same basic belted magnum case, but the 7mm threw bullets as heavy as 175 grains. I handled a sample Cross and it felt precise, tight, remarkably adjustable for fit, and impressively light at just 6.5 pounds, only about 1.5 pounds heavier than the ultralight mountain rifles Ive hunted with the past 30 years. 28. But that doesnt mean we cant come up with other cartridges shooting .277-inch bullets. Bugling rifle hunts arent common, but they still exist. Of course that means more energy downrange, less drop, and less wind deflectionwith a bunch more recoil. I had the 170 elites up to 3125 fps when it was 270 wby so I'm hoping to easily get to 3200 + once it's a 27. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. But based on the usage, grains, the barrel life could vary. A few more calibers throwing those famous .308 bullets include the .300 Ruger Compact Magnum, .300 SAUM, .300 WSM, .30/308 Norma Mag., .300 H&H, 30 Nosler, .300 Wby. In addition to the caliber, Nosler also introduced new 165gr AccuBond Long Range bullets in .277, specifically designed for the 27 Noslers faster-than-standard 1-8.5 twist rate. If you can't get it done with the 27 nosler, you won't get it done with the 28 nosler. Mag. That is, the best of the best for terminating elk without beating up shooters. The old archetypical big-timber elk rifle was the Winchester M71 in .348. Some .30-calibers work best in lever actions, some in short actions, some in full magnum actions. Ditto the .416s, 44s, and 45s. The easier the terrain, the heavier the hunting rifle youll be able to tolerate. 28 Nosler is essentially a shortened version of the 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum (7mm RUM). will want to try the more radical-looking SIG Cross in .277 Fury. But .300 Win. Whats best for you depends on the distance you intend to shoot, based on where you hunt. .284-inch bullet or a 180-gr. A final consideration these days is availability of guns and ammo. It will work but a little much. Nosler has introduced the 27 Nosler, a 27-caliber cartridge based on the fat .404 Jeffery case, same as the .30, .28, and .26 Noslers. This meant the .338 Win. The onshore winds had begun to swirl a bit, and I was thoroughly convinced that the hunt was essentially over for that evening. Bottles & 12-oz. Fully prepped, Nosler premium cartridge brass in 27 Nosler will be available in 25ct boxes. worldwide popularity. Comparing this with the 160- and 175-grain bullets of the 7mm bore diameter, and it isnt hard to see that advantage of the slightly larger bore diameter. It has a near perfect balance of length, width, power, and recoil. will handle the .338 Win. Heavier bullets. Absolutely! Any rifle strong enough to contain the 7mm Rem. Mag., .300 RUM, and .30-378 Wby. Recoil isn't bad and it will lay out the ft/lbs of energy as ways. Think Remington M700s, Savage M110s, Ruger M77s, and even the Browning Autoloading Rifle. Weatherby came out with his .270 magnum fairly soon (about 20 years) after the .270 Winchester took off, but the next .277 shooter didnt pop until 2001 as the .270 Winchester Short Magnum. He wasnt quite prepared for the recoil when the rifle was mounted on his shoulder over a puffy coat. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. On much of their marketing material for the cartridge, they call it The New Herd Bull.. So, the most likely candidate today is a modern .45-70 lever-action, either a Marlin or Henry in the popular guide gun configuration, short barrel with easy scope mounting. Recoil isn't bad and it will lay out the ft/lbs of energy as ways. Although there are more advanced and fancy bullet designs created more recently, most factory loads for the 28 Nosler focus on long range expansion, and Id prefer to have a Partitions deep penetration for elk. I did as instructed, leveling the crosshair of the Leupold VX-3HD on the onside shoulder, and breaking the trigger of the Nosler Model 21 rifle, sending a 150-grain Nosler AccuBond on its way to make meat. Once you start reaching out there, the 28 Nosler really shines. Follow along to see exactly how. Mag. In my situation, I think the tradeoffs of recoil are far outweighed by the positive aspects of the cartridge. A high B.C. The .338/06 adds about 200 fps muzzle velocity for about two inches less drop at 300 yards and roughly 300 ft-lb more punch. To take advantage of the cartridge's MPBR (+/- 3"), sight-in the .28 Nosler 160 grain factory load to hit 2.39 inches high at 100 yards. For most big game animals, energy does not kill them. I have shot neither so my opinion may not mean much. With 7mm bullets now up to 195 grains, I would barrel it with 1:8 twist, vice the old 1:9 7mm twist. Here stands the old warrior with its two newest competitors in the rather small .27-caliber world. And, I know they are going to be pretty similar, but, still, I have to choose one. Just be aware that shot angles and placement do become critical as bullet mass and energy decline. Shooters who love the look of AR rifles with folding stocks, adjustable combs and LOP, barrel shrouds, etc. Will you be able to handload once-fired cases? Im convinced these new, heavy bullets elevate the .270s performance on larger game: Similar to the 7mms with like bullet weights; and exceeding the capability of any 6.5mm. Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. Nosler, the world's finest bullets, ammunition, rifles, & brass. 57.5 gr. Mag. Even at the 500-yard mark, the 27 Nosler will deliver over 2,100 ft.-lbs. Shot was quartering to and both shots exited behind off shoulder. A high B.C. Sure, I had to consider the drop and adjust for the downhill, still not a difficult shot, and the bull went nowhere. About 1:8 would be my guess. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. Mag. I also have a 28 Nosler and am very impressed with its performance. Is 28 Nosler too much for deer? You, your kids, and 90 percent of the shooters might love the SIG Cross rifle, in which case the .277 SIG Fury might be your baby. It's extremely flat shooting and drops an incredible amount of energy on target. The main body, however, is brass. It might be impossible to find the rifle you want and darn tough to find factory loads to feed it. However, simply not passing through the body is not necessarily a bad thing, and depends highly on the bullet construction. You would get about 3,250 fps with the 26 Nosler with 140 grain bullets. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. For example: Fire a Nosler 168-gr. Certainly, out to 400 yards, no elk can stand up to a good 180-grain bullet well-placed from a .30-06. Not sure of performance gains or losses between the two. Thats the key to each of these new .270 cartridges. In comparison a 250-grain slug at 2,600 fps will churn up just 3,750 ft-lb. will kick with 29.3 ft-lb, and the 300 will slap you with 37 ft-lb. Home on the Range: The flat-shooting 27 Nosler is an ideal open-country hunting cartridge. Years of development and pushing the limits of what is possible in a rifle optic have led up to this moment. Figure another 30 fps velocity increase for every inch of barrel added and a 24-inch launchpad should nudged that 140-grain to 3,240 fps. Slide up to some of the new 190-gr. Itll only hit 2,400 fps or so with a 225-grain bullet, so the 200- and 210-grain slugs might be the better choice. Because elk are so tough, the farther the shot, the harder you ought to hit them! It shoots a svelte .277-caliber 165-grain . The 27 Nosler can . My 28 Nosler launches the 162 Grain EL-DX's at 3,250 FPS. The . but it is not a 1,000. yard Elk rifle it requires skill. Zeroed 3.3 inches high at 100 yards, that projectile will drop just two inches at 300 yards, deflect just five inches in a 10 mph right angle wind, and cling to 2,866 ft-lb energy. A couple of friends swear by the .444 Marlin for hunting elk in oak brush. After years of hunting and shooting from Africa to Alaska, I think most get cartridge enery wrong. Mag. Both new rounds exceed the ballistics of the old one, but do it in different ways. What the heck? hatched five years later and gave big brother a real run for his money. Based on the antique .404 Jeffery cartridge case, the 27 Nosler is the first new .277-caliber rifle cartridge . And realize that after a hunt or choice you might want to choose differently. From left to right: 27 Nosler, .270 Weatherby Magnum, .270 WSM, .270 Winchester, 6.8 SPC. (Photo: Kristin Alberts/Guns.com) Synonymous with quality hunting ammunition, Nosler shakes things up in the .270 world introducing a new caliber - the 27 . Nosler, the world's finest bullets, ammunition, rifles, & brass. But in the chart it says it carries it to over 1200 yards. It throws a 150-grain bullet 3,300 fps from a 26-inch barrel, about 300 to 400 fps faster than the .270 Winchester, 200 fps faster than the .270 WSSM, and 100 fps quicker than the .270 Weatherby Magnum. The heaviest HH for your twist is the 148gr, but you'd have to watch oal as it is 1.48 inches long. Well, bullet weight, perhaps? Thats good enough for 3,500 ft-lb muzzle punch. Good bullet design and placement seem to work just fine. Based on the 404 Jeffrey Same case as the 30 Nosler When compared to the 28 Nosler, the 27 Nosler has a longer neck and a shorter length to the shoulder to prevent the 28 from being chambered in the 27. Will the 27 Nosler shove the .270 Winchester out of the limelight? That 160 grain Nosler Partition bullet is perfect for hunting really big game where it's really important to use a heavy, well constructed projectile. Why I believe the actual on target energy is about the same as felt recoil. On the contrary, 150-180 grain bullets in 300 Win Mag can hold up to 1000 rounds. Google a 270 win - 280 rem comparison and it will tell you all you need to know. Say the bullets are more than 180 grains in 300 Win Mag. more than the 270 WSM at the muzzle. 1. Introducing the Veracity PH from Burris, the perfect combination of reliability, quality, and technology delivering a simple aiming solutiona tool for the hunter that just works. That bullet offers the best of all worlds, as it will reliably expand at longer ranges when it has slowed down a bit, yet will hold together at woods distances when velocities remain high . Exactly. The Barnes penetrate . Consequently, it is not surprising that the bullet did not pass through. In this article, Ill cover the pros and cons Ive found with shooting the .28 Nosler on my recent big game hunting adventures. 28 Nosler is essentially a shortened version of the 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum (7mm RUM). Bill Buckley. Kali Parmley, Editor-in-chief of Bakccountry Hunter speaks with Bret Maffet of Franchi Firearms to discuss the all new Momentum All Terrain Elite. I do enjoy the videos and your enthusiasm in them. Design evolves. The included photo of the model/mock up of this case is close but not exact. At Nosler velocities, no elk is going to stop a mono metal bullet. To stabilize the new, high B.C. 2500fps and 1600+ft-lb at same distance. But that has nothing to do with the actual performance of the .277 SIG Fury cartridge or rifle. With modern loads the .45-70 has 200-yard capability, and no issues about hitting an elk hard enough. (Although a fan of Nosler bullets, I do NOT like the ballistic tips for big game), Trophy Bonded, Hornaday's, Barnes X's, Silvertips and Rem Core-lokts. Recoil is stout, but manageable. We have an embarrassment of choices in 7mms, and elk dont like any. The doe fell out of the scope, and I had filled the last of the four tags issued to me on the Hawaiian Island of Molokai. So, for an all-around elk-thumper, Ive gone back to the .338. We had set up in what I considered to be a less-than-advantageous position, a bit too skylined for my liking, and with very little cover. Calibers lighter and heavier than the 7mms through .338s can be considered excellent for elk. Be the first to hear about our latest news and events. This list of the best cartridges for elk hunting starts with the welterweights and moves up to the heavy hitters. Ditto rifle size. None require field artillery, but a mature Rocky Mountain bull might weigh 800-1000 pounds, four times the size of most mule deer bucks. Though Nosler offers just two loads, the handloader can take full advantage of the full gamut of component bullets available for the .270 Winchester and others, giving the handloader a bullet range of 130 to 165 grains. And youll definitely want to spark those heavy powder charges with a large rifle magnum primer. You are all set and go forth with complete confidence. With such a rifle, we are expecting a shot at less than 100 yards. For elk, I would go with the 28. . By 600 yards that energy advantage will have dropped to just 180 ft-lb. Inside of 500 yards the ballistics and energy are comparable. Another good choice for an elk bullet would be the standard 140 grain AccuBond. The 33-caliber has become a crowded family, and all members are more than suitable for elk. Look at ammo cost to either buy or reload, whichever you do. Noslers .27 will be chambered in that companys M48 bolt-action rifles. No matter 27 or 28 caliber. Mag. If zeroed three inches high at 100 yards, that slug should drop just 1.7 inches at 300 yards and deflect just 5.7 inches in a 10 mph right angle wind. Mag., and you understand why its not just the most popular .300 magnum of all time, but one of the best all-round elk calibers of all time. I have shot most of my big game with a 270 Win or a 270 WSM. Elk carry enough venison on the hoof to suggest a big cartridge and big bullet. During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. The .264 topped out at 140-grains. This will be influenced significantly by the terrain youll hunt. Selecting your perfect elk caliber hinges on you as well as the elk and the landscapes and habitat in which youll hunt them. How the Brand-New 27 Nosler Revives the .277, We used the new cartridge on a big-game hunt last fall. Thats not a typo. Unless you want a new, longer range rig, then go for it! In other words, unlovely. Yet, for those who enjoy hunting across the continent or the globe, the 27 Nosler makes a very flexible package that can handle deer and black in the forests, yet reach out across a canyon to handle a bull elk, or across the vastness of the tundra when in pursuit of caribou. Ammo is easier to find in a greater variety of bullet weights and styles, too. The 27 Nosler case has 42% more case capacity than the 270 Winchester, 25% more than the 270 WSM and 12.5% more than the 270 Weatherby. If your chosen bullet fails to expand at 1,000 yards, its a poor choice, no matter the energy. Having said that, Id like to see more manufacturers focusing on deeper penetrating bullets in their .28 Nosler factory loads because the cartridge already shoots so fast that I am less concerned with expansion at a distance than I am about penetrationat least for elk. Thats excellent performance for a tough animal. 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